Showing posts with label Jonathan Vilma. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jonathan Vilma. Show all posts

Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Developing: Tagliabue makes Saints player penalties go away

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Well...isn't this an interesting turn of events.

Former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, appointed by the league to oversee the Saints Bounty investigation ruled early Tuesday afternoon that the player suspensions over the issue were not valid.

That being said, he didn't exactly find them without fault stating that the engaged in "Conduct Detrimental to the League". He did agree with the finding that the Bounty System existed.

What Tagliabue did say: "I strongly condemn the misconduct of the Saints coaches found by Commissioner Goodell and confirmed in the record developed during this appeal," Tagliabue wrote. "That severe misconduct played a substantial role in my deciding whether to sustain, in whole or in part, or vacate the discipline to be imposed upon these four players.

"Equally, in vacating the players' suspensions I do not in any degree condone their behavior. I do not approve any of the misconduct in which Commissioner Goodell found the players to have engaged, though I do not find Fujita's conduct equivalent to the other players."


It also means that the 4-players involved in the suspensions, Jonathan Vilma and Will Smith still with the Saints, former Saints LB Scott Fujita and former D-lineman Anthony Hargrove are eligible to play...immediately.

What is interesting is the spin from both parties in this debate.

NFL PR Czar Greg Aiello said this for the league: "We respect Mr. Tagliabue's decision which underscores the due process afforded players in the NFL disciplinary matters. This matter has now been reviewed by Commissioner Goodell, 2 CBA grievance arbitrators, the CBA Appeals Panel and Mr. Tagliabue as Comissioner Goodell's designated appeals officer. The decisions have made clear that the Saints operated a bounty program in violation of the league rules for 3-years,, that the program endangered player safety and that the commissioner has the authority under the CBA to impose discipline for those actions as conduct detrimental to the league. Strong action was taken in this matter to protect player safety and ensure that bounties would be eliminated from football."

Aiello also mentioned on Twitter that Tagliabue said "There is evidence that suggests Commissioner Goodell could have disciplined a greater number of Saints players.

Said the NFLPA, who didn't quite see things the same way: "We believe that when a fair due process takes place, a fair outcome is the result. We are pleased that Paul Tagliabue as the appointed hearings officer agreed with the NFL Players Association that previously issued discipline was inappropriate in the matter of the alleged New Orleans Saints bounty program. Vacating the discipline affirms the players unwavering position that all allegations the League made about their alleged 'Intent to Injure' were utterly and completely false. We are happy for our members."


What this means: (In English)--Both sides are further emboldened. The league says they are vindicated, that it doesn't change what they say is true. The players say it does. They say it proves the players are innocent.

Really what this means is there was "Some" sort of system in place. Whether the players are guilty by association is a parsing of words. It does NOT change Jonathan Vilma's claim that he was defamed by Goodell and in fact, his lawsuit is continuing, though it is significantly weakened.

It also does not change the suspensions handed down to Sean Payton, Gregg Williams or Mickey Loomis. 

Tuesday, October 9, 2012

The Shield Reissues BountyGate Suspensions

The NFL has re-issued the suspensions to the four players involved in the New Orleans Saints Bounty Gate investigation.

To wit:

Jonathan Vilma will be suspended a full season again,
Scott Fujita will be suspended three games again but it was reduced to one,
Will Smith will be suspended four games again and,
Anthony Hargrove will be suspended eight games again, but it was reduced to seven.

Those suspensions were overturned over a month ago by an arbitor who claimed that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell went down the wrong path in trying to investigate and suspend the four along with Saints coaches Sean Payton, Gregg Williams, and Joe Vitt. If Goodell were to follow proper protocol, the suspensions would have stuck and the arbitor intimated as much in his ruling.

Goodell resubmitted and, voila!

Here's the release from the league that was shared with Vilma:

“At our meeting, you confirmed that cart-offs and knockouts were part of a broader program in place among the Saints’ defensive players. You confirmed that these terms referred to plays in which an opposing player has to leave the game for one or more plays. You confirmed that, as Coach Vitt testified, an opposing player’s need for smelling salts under a trainer’s care was a consequence of the kind that the program sought to achieve and for which players were offered cash rewards from the incentive pool.

“I also find that you engaged in conduct detrimental by offering a substantial financial incentive to any member of the defensive unit who knocked Brett Favre out of the Saints’ 2009 NFC playoff game against the Vikings. (There is also credible evidence that you made a similar pledge regarding Kurt Warner in the immediately preceding playoff game against the Cardinals, but whether you made multiple pledges of that kind does not matter for purposes of the discipline that I have decided to impose.)"


The NFLPA, which probably, will appeal rather quickly (again) came back with this:

"For more than six months, the NFL has ignored the facts, abused the process outlined in our collective bargaining agreement and failed to produce evidence that the players intended to injure anyone, ever. The only evidence that exists is the League’s gross violation of fair due process, transparency and impartiality during this process. Truth and fairness have been the casualties of the league’s refusal to admit that it might have made a mistake."


The NFLPA has 72 hours to file their appeal and the players still, presumably, can participate in team activities until a final verdict is reached...

Ed Werder has more with FOSG Mike Hill and Michael Kim... and Werder's in your head...
((HT: ESPN))

Monday, September 17, 2012

Vilma Meets Goodell, More Evidence Presented...???

((HT: ESPN))

And now it's Round Two...

The HQ is under the impression that the BountyGate Four will get suspended again... it'll just take a little more time...

And the first step for that to happen again was the meeting (or re-meeting) of New Orleans Saints LB jonathan Vilma and the Jolly Roger his own self.

According to sources (and we all enjoy the idea of unnamed sources) The Shield gave Vilma an affidavit from Gregg Williams that Vilma offered $10,000 to any teammate who knocked Brett Favre out of the 2010 NFC Championship Game. In that same affidavit, Williams confirmed a pay-for-performance pool funded by the Saints players,

The HQ will always maintain that, as long as there is no money trail, all of this paperwork is pretty frivolous. But that's just us...

The three others suspended in the scandal, Scott Fujita, Anthony Hargrove, and Will Smith are set to meet Commissioner Goodell Tuesday.

Ed Werder has more...


Here is the link to the Williams affidavit... if you want to read that kind of stuff...

Saturday, September 8, 2012

"Bountygate" Suspensions Overturned

((HT: Fox8Live.com))

The suspensions of Jonathan Vilma, Scott Fujita, Anthony Hargrove, and Will Smith have been wiped off the books for now, thanks to a three-person appeals panel.

Leave it to Vilma to quote "Family Guy" on his Twitter feed:

"Victory is mine!!!! -stewie griffin"

The panel believes that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell overstepped his authority in hearing the appeals.

"Whether the commissioner tries to readdress the situation or not is his call," said Peter Ginsberg, Vilma's attorney, in a statement. "We are certainly hoping the appeals board has made it clear the commissioner tried to grab jurisdiction and impose penalties over an area he does not have oversight. ... The factual record in the court makes it clear he has acted in a biased and inappropriate manner."

NFL legal counsel Jeff Pash came back with the idea that "nothing in today's decision contradicts any of the facts found in the investigation into this matter, or absolves any player of responsibility for conduct detrimental. Nor does the decision in any way suggest what discipline would be appropriate for conduct that lies within the authority of the Commissioner."

Evan Andersen has the understandable reaction...
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Smith and Fujita could possibly play Sunday while Hargrove can now look for an employer and Vilma could play in the next few weeks as he's still recovering from off-season surgery.

This now brings the HQ the question of Sean Payton and Joe Vitt- since Gregg WIlliams, apparently, signed his life away for his suspension.

Jus' axin...

Friday, August 10, 2012

No ruling in Vilma vs. The NFL--For now

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Roger Goodell on the left

The curious case of Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma vs. Roger Goodell and the NFL will drag out just a bit longer.

That's because a Louisiana Federal Court Judge, despite telling Vilma's attorney she'd like to grant his request for a temporary restraining order, didn't do it.

Judge Ginger Berrigan held off making a decision today in a New Orleans courtroom that would have given Vilma the authority to return to his team, the Saints.

Read more from NOLA.com RIGHT HERE

You'll recall Vilma was suspended for the 2012 season by Goodell after he determined Vilma was a key cog in the alleged Saints Bounty Program.

Berringer decided to play it safe and wait until all of Vilma and his teammates appeals before an appeal board are heard and decided on.

Folks, specifically, those friendly to the Saints, need to just stand by. This about to become a major battle of lawyers and legalities and in the end, nobody will ever actually know if any of these allegations from either side are true.

And while Vilma certainly has nothing to lose here but a few bucks, the NFL, is probably getting REALLY nervous.


Thursday, July 5, 2012

Developing: NFLPA sues NFL over BountyGate--(Updated)

Yes, it's official: The NFLPA filed a lawsuit in a New Orleans Federal court this morning announcing that they are filing suit on behalf of at least 3 of the players suspended in the Saints BountyGate scandal.

The NFLPA is claiming the Jolly Roger (Goodell) violated the collective bargaining agreement by going public and naming Will Smith, Anthony Hargrove and Scott Fujita as guys who participated before giving them the benefit of a hearing.

Really?

The same NFLPA who released the document Anthony Hargrove signed saying he was told to deny his involvement in this?

Read that story RIGHT HERE

Yeah, we know Jonathan Vilma is filing his own lawsuit and yeah we know Saints fans believe the is NFL is conspiring against them.

**UPDATE**--The Jolly Roger (goodell) or at least his legal team filed a motion in court to dismiss the lawsuit that Vilma has brought forward. There's some discussion of a possible court appearance at the beginning of August for this, but nothing concrete--yet. 

But why?

This also comes on the heels of Goodell's denial of the players appeals, so there's timing involved but there are also a TON of stupid questions:

Why would the NFLPA release the Hargrove statement?

Why would it later (much) be denied by Hargrove?

If these guys are "Truly" innocent...why haven't they just said "Show me proof that money changed hands?" And no, a piece of paper saying it happened isn't proof.

The whole thing is just stupid to us. It's quite obvious the NFL has what they believe to be total proof that "BountyGate" happened. But we also believe there is something in the evidence they don't want the public to see. What that is...we don't know.

At this point, we are growing weary of the whole thing. We kind of hope that everyone just shuts up. There seems to be no denial a "Bounty" system was in place, but yet the players and other seem to be going to great lengths to deny it.

WTF?



Tuesday, July 3, 2012

No Surprise: Saints players Bounty Suspensions upheld

Roger Goodell
No, don't make the "Oh My!" face, because this isn't a shock.

At all.

The NFL announced Tuesday afternoon that after further review (wink, wink) they've decided to uphold the suspensions on Scott Fujita, Anthony Hargrove, Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma for taking part in the much discussed bounty program alleged to have taken place while they all were players on the New Orleans Saints.

You can read the Press Release from the NFL RIGHT HERE

The commish (Jolly Roger himself) said; “Throughout this entire process, including your appeals, and despite repeated invitations andencouragement to do so, none of you has offered any evidence that would warrant reconsideration of your suspensions. Instead, you elected not to participate meaningfully in the appeal process…”

Goodell added; “Although you claimed to have been ‘wrongfully accused with insufficient evidence,’ your lawyers elected not to ask a single question of the principal investigators, both of whom were present at the hearing (as your lawyers had requested); you elected not to testify or to make any substantive statement, written or oral, in support of your appeal; you elected not to call a
single witness to support your appeal; and you elected not to introduce a single exhibit
addressing the merits of your appeal. Instead, your lawyers raised a series of jurisdictional and
procedural objections that generally ignore the CBA, in particular its provisions governing
‘conduct detrimental’ determinations…”


So there!

Essentially the commish is calling them all out, including Vilma, who is currently suing him in Lousiana Federal Court and saying "Prove to me I'm wrong". Fujita (now with the Browns) is supposed to sit 3 games, Hargrove (Packers) is docked 8 games, Smith (Saints) four games and Vilma is benched for 2012.

We know Fujita has said "I had nothing to do with it" and Hargrove is now denying that his voice is the one heard agreeing to be paid for his participation.

Goodell is putting the players, who have been on a PR offensive on the defensive here. Let's see how they respond.

Here's the NFLPA's response in the interest of equal quotation...

Monday, June 18, 2012

Vilma Leaves NFL Meeting Early

((HT: ESPN))

The four NFL players associated with the so-called "Bountygate" had their day with Commissioner Roger Goodell- and one left really early...

Jonathan Vilma only hung around for an hour before stating his case in front of a bunch of microphones...



The other three players, Anthony Hargrove, Scott Fujita, and Will Smith all arrived at the NFL offices with their lawyers as, apparently, Vilma came separately with his attorney. The NFLPA put out a statement on behalf of their players in this case:

"Shame on the National Football League and Commissioner Goodell for being more concerned about 'convicting' us publicly than being honorable and fair to men who have dedicated their professional lives to playing this game with honor."

Yes, the HQ is aware that the Jolly Roger is judge, jury, and executioner in all of this. Some evidence would be nice, but it's his sandbox...

Thursday, May 17, 2012

Saints Jonathan Vilma sues the Jolly Roger

Jonathan Vilma
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No, really. He filed it this afternoon.

New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma filed a defamation lawsuit in the eastern division of Federal Court in Louisiana today against NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Mind you, the suit wasn't against the NFL, it was against Goodell himself.

Vilma is claiming that he was damaged by Goodell's statements about the Saints bounty system and his (Vilma's) alleged involvement in it.

The New Orleans Times-Picyune provides us with a copy of said lawsuit, you can read it RIGHT HERE

Alrighty then.

The suit claims more than 9 instances or examples of slander and/or libel that Goodell piled onto Vilma. And if you read to the end, Vilma does not specify the damages that he is looking for, though we suspect if somehow, he or his lawyers are able to get this and/or Goodell to trial, that would be a form of payback.

As you know by now, Vilma is suspended for the 2012 season and according to the league was a leader in the alleged Saints bounty program. That program supposedly established a bounty or payment for plays that seriously injured or put competitors out of the game.

Vilma reiterated his stance on Twitter Thursday saying "As I've said before, I've never paid, nor intended to pay any amount of money to any player for intentionally hurting an opponent.

This is getting interesting. The folks in Louisiana are convinced the league is out to get them. The players vehemently deny it existed. Yet, the coaches admitted it. The league says they have evidence...though they haven't released it.

We suspect that last line (they haven't released it) means that something in there could be considered harmful to the NFL as a whole, but can't prove it.

This is nowhere near the last we've heard about this, it will be interesting to see where it goes from here.

Wednesday, May 2, 2012

BREAKING: Jolly Roger Drops The Hammer, Players Plan Appeal

Here's the early deal...

Jonathan Vilma gets a full year's suspension... on two occasions, Vilma allegedly had $10,000 bounties on both Kurt Warner and Brett Favre in the playoffs and the Enn-Eff-Cee title game, respectively...

Like here...
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Anthony Hargrove, now with the Packers, gets 8 games for participating in the program and obstructing investigators...

Will Smith gets four games for allegedly assisting payoffs in the "knockout" pool...

Scott Fujita, now with the Browns, gets three games... he allegedly pledged money to the "knockout" pools...

Here's the official release from the league, thanks to our friends at WWL-TV

More when we know more...

1240 UPDATE: We know more...

The four players are planning an appeal and a subsequent legal battle... they had three days to make that decision...

According to Michael David Smith at PFT, the four have already started the process and, according to the four-letter's Adam Schefter:

“Get ready for a massive legal battle on many fronts,” Schefter quoted a source as saying.